Chat 2

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Moderators: Dafne Gonzalez and Teresa Almeida d´Eca

Participants: Steve, Hala, Gwen, Moira, John, Gail, and Caterina

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Conversation

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:01:30 PM): great, john! have you used voice before at YM?

spiri39 (9/24/2006 4:01:36 PM): yes

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:01:39 PM): welcome, daf

spiri39 (9/24/2006 4:01:41 PM): with video

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:01:49 PM): hello everybody!

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 4:02:17 PM): Hello everybody

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:02:38 PM): is Vance´s chat over?

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:02:47 PM): let me see if voice is working for me

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:02:52 PM): i have no idea, daf

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:03:00 PM): fine

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 4:03:05 PM): it's still going on in Elluminate

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:03:06 PM): the sound is good

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:03:16 PM): for evrybody?

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 4:03:16 PM): Gwen is there

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:03:23 PM): so, they moved from TI to Elluminate, Moira?

skiniotou (9/24/2006 4:03:24 PM): I can hear you.

Yahoo! Messenger with Voice (9/24/2006 4:03:32 PM): haloolahakema has joined the conference.

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 4:03:34 PM): just started in Elluminate as they had to sign up for LearningTimes

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:03:39 PM): why don't we all start testing sound?

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:03:46 PM): welcome, hala

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:03:47 PM): hello Hala

haloolahakema (9/24/2006 4:03:52 PM): Hi all

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:03:57 PM): yes, daf

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 4:04:05 PM): Happy Ramadan Hala

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:04:22 PM): yes, happy ramadan

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:04:22 PM): I have not used sound in YM for a while, now I use Skype

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:04:42 PM): maybe we can try skype next week, daf

haloolahakema (9/24/2006 4:04:44 PM): did you hear me?

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:04:46 PM): sure

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:04:48 PM): yes, hala

skiniotou (9/24/2006 4:04:49 PM): I can hear you all. But I don't know if you can hear me. Am I doing something wrong?

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:04:50 PM): yes, Hala

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 4:04:55 PM): rochhachana

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:05:01 PM): i didn't hear you, caterina

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:05:08 PM): yes

haloolahakema (9/24/2006 4:05:10 PM): yes

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:05:10 PM): yes

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:05:26 PM): you can use the hands free box

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:05:51 PM): lol

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 4:06:13 PM): Is that right?

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:06:21 PM):

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 4:06:29 PM): I have left Elluminate to concentrate here

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:06:43 PM): thanks, Moira

haloolahakema (9/24/2006 4:07:06 PM): are u at Elluminate too?

haloolahakema (9/24/2006 4:07:19 PM): me too

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 4:08:06 PM): Is anybody speaking? I hear nothing

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:08:13 PM): daf is

haloolahakema (9/24/2006 4:08:18 PM): I do

spiri39 (9/24/2006 4:08:29 PM): i hear nothing too

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 4:08:40 PM): nothing for me

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:08:58 PM): john, have you gone thru the audio wizzard?

spiri39 (9/24/2006 4:09:18 PM): no

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 4:09:23 PM): I just talked to Caterina a few minutes ago with Yahoo

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:09:24 PM): if you have been to Elluminate, it migh be the problem

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:09:37 PM): i'm trying to see where it is, john. which menu, i mean

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:09:39 PM): yes hala

spiri39 (9/24/2006 4:09:48 PM): on yahoo messenger?

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 4:09:48 PM): ah

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:09:54 PM): yes

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:09:56 PM): yes, john

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 4:10:08 PM): what do you suggest Daf?

skiniotou (9/24/2006 4:10:09 PM): I can't see anything, but it could be my fault.

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:10:14 PM): I see you, Hala

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:10:16 PM): i see you, hala

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:11:09 PM): i have my webcam on now

Yahoo! Messenger with Voice (9/24/2006 4:11:42 PM): stevesgroups2000 has joined the conference.

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:11:53 PM): welcome, steve

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:12:00 PM): welcome Steve

skiniotou (9/24/2006 4:12:15 PM): Gwen Cary is available and wants to enter the room.

stevesgroups2000 (9/24/2006 4:12:26 PM): Hi everyone. Sorry I am a little late.

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:12:28 PM): will invite her, caterina

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 4:12:52 PM): OK, I am going out and then can you reinvite me please as I hear nothing

Yahoo! Messenger with Voice (9/24/2006 4:12:59 PM): Gwen Cary has joined the conference.

Yahoo! Messenger with Voice (9/24/2006 4:13:06 PM): Moira Hunter has left the conference.

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:13:08 PM): sure Moira

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:13:12 PM): welcome, gwen

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:13:17 PM): welcome, Gwen

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 4:13:23 PM): Yeah. Good day all

haloolahakema (9/24/2006 4:13:25 PM): Hi Gwen

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:13:34 PM): I am trying to find the sound wizard

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:13:44 PM): but it has been hidden

spiri39 (9/24/2006 4:14:13 PM): should i try that too?

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 4:14:19 PM): I'm fiddling to see how to enable my voice here. If that´s how it works

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:14:28 PM): go to action and enable the voice chat, to see if works, John

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:14:44 PM): Actions

spiri39 (9/24/2006 4:14:51 PM): where's "actions?"

skiniotou (9/24/2006 4:15:10 PM): You need to be pressing the talk button while you are talking, Gwen

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:15:16 PM): at the top of this window, John

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:15:26 PM): it is a pull-down menu

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:15:35 PM): ok

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:15:43 PM): I am waiting for your permission, tere

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 4:15:50 PM): I'm changing my color text tomake things a bit less confusing.

spiri39 (9/24/2006 4:16:10 PM): nothing at the top

spiri39 (9/24/2006 4:16:43 PM): i'm on a mac... does it matter?

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:16:44 PM): john, have you clicked the voice button at the top?

stevesgroups2000 (9/24/2006 4:17:00 PM): Yes, I do not see the action bar...I am on a mac too...I see myself on the webcam though

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:17:01 PM): hmmm. i think it may. don't remember

spiri39 (9/24/2006 4:17:07 PM): at the top of this window?

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:17:16 PM): yes, john

spiri39 (9/24/2006 4:17:17 PM): nothing at the top of this window

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:17:31 PM): oh, I am not sure if people in Macs have the voice feature

spiri39 (9/24/2006 4:17:37 PM): steve, can you hear?

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:18:05 PM): i don't think mac users have voice

stevesgroups2000 (9/24/2006 4:18:06 PM): I heard a ring but I can't hear anything else

spiri39 (9/24/2006 4:18:26 PM): actually, i'm trying to figure out how to hear and speak but don't want to coz my son is sleeping in the room.

haloolahakema (9/24/2006 4:19:29 PM): Daf ,did you put your webcam on?

haloolahakema (9/24/2006 4:19:38 PM): no

Yahoo! Messenger with Voice (9/24/2006 4:19:44 PM): Moira Hunter has joined the conference.

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:20:29 PM): wb, moira

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 4:20:58 PM): yes, back again but I can't hear anything although settings are correct

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 4:21:11 PM): is anybody talking?

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:21:17 PM): gwen

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:21:28 PM): did you reboot, moira?

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 4:21:49 PM): no, will do total reboot back in five

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:21:53 PM): ok

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:21:53 PM): ok

Yahoo! Messenger with Voice (9/24/2006 4:21:56 PM): Moira Hunter has left the conference.

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:21:57 PM): good

stevesgroups2000 (9/24/2006 4:22:37 PM): I see dafne ...but can't hear...can you see me?

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:22:46 PM): john and teve, still no sound?

spiri39 (9/24/2006 4:22:50 PM): no sound

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 4:22:53 PM): Yes Teresa?

spiri39 (9/24/2006 4:23:00 PM): sorry. no sound

stevesgroups2000 (9/24/2006 4:23:06 PM): no sound...may go see if the windows machine works better...

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:23:07 PM): i think it's the mac

spiri39 (9/24/2006 4:23:14 PM): yes

spiri39 (9/24/2006 4:23:26 PM): wish i had a windows at home as well

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:23:46 PM): right, john

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:24:20 PM): i visited your office, Gwen

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:24:23 PM): how many have an office at tapped in?

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:24:26 PM): did you read my message?

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 4:24:40 PM): I'm actually embarrased becuase I haven't done much thre yet

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:24:40 PM): I also visited Hala´s

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:25:02 PM): gwen, there's just no time for everything

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 4:25:03 PM): She is rebooting I believe

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:25:08 PM): yes, she is

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:25:52 PM): now i see steve. hi, steve!

stevesgroups2000 (9/24/2006 4:26:11 PM): Hi there, I just read on the info page that voice may be for windows only

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:26:24 PM): right

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:26:32 PM): right, steve. that's what daf and i thought

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:26:49 PM): we'll try skype next week and we can all speak

spiri39 (9/24/2006 4:26:59 PM): Since i can't hear or be heard on my mac, i think i'll bow out for the evening.

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:27:23 PM): ok, john. we understand. sorry about this.

stevesgroups2000 (9/24/2006 4:27:24 PM): Bye John.

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:27:27 PM): thanks for coming

spiri39 (9/24/2006 4:27:28 PM): no prob

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:27:30 PM): sorry, you are deaf today, John

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 4:27:33 PM): That's really strange. Especially becuase here I have the ability to use windows messenger with yahoo. Why not MAC?

stevesgroups2000 (9/24/2006 4:27:34 PM): I may try to boot my mac...

spiri39 (9/24/2006 4:27:36 PM): "see" you all again

Yahoo! Messenger with Voice (9/24/2006 4:27:52 PM): spiri39 has left the conference.

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:27:54 PM): there is not voice feature available for Macs yet, Gwen

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 4:28:06 PM): That's such a shame

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:28:10 PM): it is

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:28:17 PM): good

skiniotou (9/24/2006 4:28:18 PM): Sorry you have to go, John. What can you say, technology...

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:28:46 PM): technolog does have its negative sides

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:29:20 PM): nice little girl

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:29:47 PM): very cute, hala

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:29:52 PM): can you write her name, Hala?

skiniotou (9/24/2006 4:29:58 PM): I think we are a live example of the problems our students might encounter trying to access online activities.

haloolahakema (9/24/2006 4:29:59 PM): Rahmma

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 4:30:10 PM): I don't see a little one. Hala is there a freeze frame on my cam view?

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:30:13 PM): steve, are you taking other PP courses?

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 4:30:26 PM): I'm in 107 also..

haloolahakema (9/24/2006 4:30:32 PM): me too

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:30:51 PM): isn't that too much, hala and gwen?

stevesgroups2000 (9/24/2006 4:30:56 PM): I am booting the windows machine. Yes, I am taking 110 as well...keeping me busy

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:30:57 PM): i will close my webcam too

haloolahakema (9/24/2006 4:31:12 PM): yea

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:31:14 PM): so you are taking 3 courses, Steve?

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:31:34 PM): why so?

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 4:31:45 PM): I'm fine. Don't worry about me.

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:31:58 PM): Is Vance´s course difficult?

stevesgroups2000 (9/24/2006 4:31:59 PM): No, just two....three would kill one...I am just taking 104 and 110...they are complementing each other.

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:32:13 PM): what´s 110 about?

skiniotou (9/24/2006 4:32:14 PM): I think we should only use voice if everybody can hear. Otherwise we should switch to instant messages.

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:32:28 PM): yes, we are now only writing

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 4:32:29 PM): Vance's course has a lot of reading is all

stevesgroups2000 (9/24/2006 4:33:00 PM): My other course is with Christine (looking at blended classes). I am going to try to get my windows working...so will be off for awhile

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:33:02 PM): I see

Yahoo! Messenger with Voice (9/24/2006 4:33:03 PM): stevesgroups2000 has left the conference.

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:33:10 PM): ok, steve

Yahoo! Messenger with Voice (9/24/2006 4:33:15 PM): Moira Hunter has joined the conference.

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:33:19 PM): wb Moira

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:33:26 PM): any activities that you have to complete in vance's course?

haloolahakema (9/24/2006 4:33:28 PM): hi moira agin

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:33:30 PM): wb, moira

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 4:33:31 PM): I saw you were on hte way Moira. All well now?

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:33:50 PM): did you hear daf, moira?

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:33:53 PM): did you hear me, Moira?

skiniotou (9/24/2006 4:34:07 PM): I now teach 50 hours per week. It would be impossible to take another course. I don't know how you all do it.

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:34:24 PM): wow, Cat, that´s a lot

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 4:34:24 PM): I only heard hala -Gwen

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 4:34:27 PM): No, something weird gooing on. Caterina came in loud and clear a ltlle while ago

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:34:37 PM): and i don't know how you take 50 hours,caterina! wow! that's a lot!!!

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 4:34:50 PM): Yeah Caterina... You are in a private language school ,right?

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:35:01 PM): besides running the school, right, caterina?

skiniotou (9/24/2006 4:35:18 PM): This is the drawback about running your own school.

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:35:20 PM): I teach 2 courses (7 hours a week), plus the coordination, and online work for EVO and TESOL and I am full

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 4:36:49 PM): I would love to get into an institution. Actually had the chance this year. But I would lose all my mobility. Right now, I have so many students I have no time anyway.

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:37:21 PM): caterina, how many teachers work in your school?

haloolahakema (9/24/2006 4:37:29 PM): oh

skiniotou (9/24/2006 4:37:51 PM): I do everything on my own; I have not hired any teachers

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:37:51 PM): gail has no sound either, so can we just change to text only?

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:38:02 PM): yes,, let´s just write

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 4:38:13 PM): that would be nie

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 4:38:14 PM): So basically you are doing the same as I

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 4:38:15 PM): Thanks

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 4:38:19 PM): nice

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 4:38:27 PM): That´s fine - writing it is.

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:38:40 PM): having your own school is really hard in terms of time

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 4:38:57 PM): Moira is goin to keep the head phones on to see the faces? (ref our last meeting)

skiniotou (9/24/2006 4:39:02 PM): I think I would be working even harder if I hired any teachers. They would be inexperienced and I would have to train them.

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:39:06 PM): I had mine for 5 years, and that was enough

haloolahakema (9/24/2006 4:39:13 PM): I think I am off now.

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 4:39:18 PM): And, when they get good... they leave

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 4:39:19 PM): No Gwen

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 4:39:26 PM): Ths is not Tapped In

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:39:30 PM): that´s right, Gwhn

gailhfernandez (9/24/2006 4:39:38 PM): Thanks I will.

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 4:39:42 PM): It's not the same - don't ask me why

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:39:45 PM): bye, hala! nice day!!!

haloolahakema (9/24/2006 4:39:45 PM): Bye.Nice to be heqar with you all

haloolahakema (9/24/2006 4:39:46 PM): bye

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:39:48 PM): bye, Hala, thanks for comming and Happy Ramadan

haloolahakema (9/24/2006 4:39:49 PM): take care

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 4:39:51 PM): I just do it with Tapped In

Yahoo! Messenger with Voice (9/24/2006 4:39:58 PM): haloolahakema has left the conference.

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 4:40:24 PM): How did all of our charts turn out?

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:40:42 PM): great, have you seen yours in wiki?

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 4:40:51 PM): mine hasn't yet - I'm late

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:40:55 PM): I think those charts are a great resource

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 4:40:58 PM): No, I made such a mess submitting...

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:41:06 PM): i was in another window with gail so i just read that caterina has a one teacher school. i don't think i could do it. kudos to you!

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:41:10 PM): I added your information to the table, Gwen

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 4:41:23 PM): I didn't get any emails from Hala or Caterina as per the discussion forum - I wonder where they went

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 4:41:24 PM): Ok, there is so much out there

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:41:48 PM): You can go back to the tables when you want information about the sites that were analized

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:42:10 PM): i'm going to use a couple with my students.

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 4:42:12 PM): Is there one table with EVERYONE'S submissions?

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:42:12 PM): analyzed

gailhfernandez (9/24/2006 4:42:13 PM): I seem to get bits and pieces of conversation, too.

skiniotou (9/24/2006 4:42:26 PM): Thanks, Teresa. I think I am doing a good job with children in this small community but I may be burning out. I have to think where this is going.

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:42:28 PM): there is a table for each group in the wiki

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:42:38 PM): one site someone - forget who - mentioned is by a tereza in portugal, but i've never met her

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:42:52 PM): (those that have been submitted so far)- groups 1 and 2

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 4:43:14 PM): well done groups 1 and 2

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:43:26 PM):

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:43:30 PM): yes, caterina. you do need to take care. i had a burnout in 2000, followed by depression, and was under treatment for 2 years.

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:44:29 PM): but i have to say that i was able to start working on my sabbatical about 4 months later and complete it. i was very proud

skiniotou (9/24/2006 4:44:36 PM): I think I need to save some more quality time for my sons and husband. It's just that I always have a hard time giving up.

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:44:54 PM): i know what you mean

gailhfernandez (9/24/2006 4:45:04 PM): I used to teach about 25 hours a week at three schools. It was okay before kids. Now Idon't think I would or could want to do it.

skiniotou (9/24/2006 4:45:08 PM): This school is my third baby you know.

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:45:46 PM): I know what you mean, Caterine. My school was a dread I had while I was studying my career

skiniotou (9/24/2006 4:45:48 PM): When you teach for long hours, you can't develop as a teacher

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 4:45:49 PM): Caterina, there is a school here who sets there students on the computer for 1 hour+ they do in-class homework for 1 hour - That´s their teaching.

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:45:53 PM): dream, I meant

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:46:00 PM): yes, caterina. when my first book was published, i said it was my third child. and then a fourth when the sabbatical project was also published

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 4:46:11 PM): I try to do more online work so that I am at home and can 'grab' the quality time with my family when they are around - not easy, but worth the effort

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 4:46:16 PM): I don't think I'd adopt that but maybe a mix would eases things up

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:46:59 PM): I still keep a newspaper report that was written about my school - the first bilingual school using the open-classroom methodology in Venezuela

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 4:47:07 PM): Moira - that is my plan too.

skiniotou (9/24/2006 4:47:20 PM): I have never looked for online employment. Are there any suggestions where/how I should start looking?

Yahoo! Messenger with Voice (9/24/2006 4:47:24 PM): stevesgroups2000 has joined the conference.

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:47:31 PM): wb, Steve

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:47:45 PM): yes, steve! great!

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 4:47:47 PM): hmmm, good question

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 4:48:00 PM): best do your own thing

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:48:02 PM): I don´t know where to look for online jobs

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:48:11 PM): the ones I have had have come to me

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 4:48:14 PM): or for your institution

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:48:16 PM): i don't know, but i can ask a friend who's been doing it, caterina

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 4:48:27 PM): I've seen somethings through TESOL's board

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:48:28 PM): I worked for the UNED and the Universidad de Valencia in Spain

skiniotou (9/24/2006 4:48:41 PM): We do not have to answer it now. But you, guys may want to keep me in mind.

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 4:48:41 PM): many so called online jobs are extremely badly paid

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:48:54 PM): that´s right

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 4:48:58 PM): That is wat I was going to say Moira

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 4:49:14 PM): Absolutely, Caterina

skiniotou (9/24/2006 4:49:23 PM): Thanks!

gailhfernandez (9/24/2006 4:49:24 PM): I'm going to get offf now. I have to help my children with homework. Thanks for changing the day for this.

Yahoo! Messenger with Voice (9/24/2006 4:49:28 PM): gailhfernandez has left the conference.

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:49:29 PM): and it shouldn't be so, because they take up so much time. people don't have any idea

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 4:49:33 PM): Unfortunately, they employ many non-teachers . Speak English? ok, teach for us

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 4:50:06 PM): at the moment it's an open market up for the grabs and there are a lot of very poor quality course

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:50:07 PM): well, it happens in f2f institutions, too, Gwen

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 4:50:15 PM): Yes, absolutely right Gwen

skiniotou (9/24/2006 4:50:16 PM): Isn't this the case everywhere?

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 4:50:22 PM): I think with the new legislation in teh US for online learning funding... things may get better soon

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:50:26 PM): i think so, caterina

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 4:50:56 PM): Now federal education loans can be used for online learning ... in approved courses

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 4:51:08 PM): approved institutions I mean

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 4:51:14 PM): True Daf, it's the very problem of this profession

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:51:15 PM): that sounds great

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 4:51:36 PM): I'm not sure how it really owrks but it should make private institutions invest in online courses.

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:51:43 PM): in Spain they only hire teachers from England

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 4:51:51 PM): And that should open up the area for us.. real teachers

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:51:58 PM): I mean, people from England

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:52:04 PM): not necesarily teachers

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 4:52:12 PM): no?

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 4:52:13 PM): really Daf?

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:52:17 PM): yes

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:52:24 PM): just bec. they're native speakers, right, daf?

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:52:26 PM): they don´t even like Americans

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:52:31 PM): right, Tere

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:52:41 PM): it seems that makes them teachers immediately

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:52:47 PM): right

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:52:49 PM): !!!

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:53:03 PM): it used to happen in venezuela too, in the past

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:53:15 PM): nowadays you need to have credentials

stevesgroups2000 (9/24/2006 4:53:41 PM): it was that way in Japan in the past too

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:53:55 PM): how is it now, Steve?

stevesgroups2000 (9/24/2006 4:54:04 PM): now in tertiary ed you need a masters at least

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 4:54:08 PM): Here in France, it's a mixed bag. To teach in the good universities, you have to have a masters

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:54:10 PM): until about 8 years ago, british english used to be the only approved english in portuguese schools, and i had a tough time with my american background. fortunately that has changed

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 4:54:19 PM): Here , being American makes you an English teacher... I went to college and take courses and people think it's strange... unless you want to really get into academia . Then I'm coming to the conclusion ,being AMerican is a bad thing. It's very hard to get in

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 4:54:28 PM): The language chools take anybody and sell it as a specialised language school

skiniotou (9/24/2006 4:54:38 PM): In Greece you can get a license to teach EFL or even open up your own school if you have a CPE or ECPE. No teacher training is required.

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:54:56 PM): it seems that it is the same all over the world

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:55:06 PM): right

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 4:55:50 PM): But in France, as everywhere I can imagine, if the school has a shortage and you happen to be English/American and you are in the right place at the right time, you get a job for which normally a masters with teaching experience is required

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:56:10 PM): another thing happening here with elementary school, where english is compulsory from the 3rd grade on, is that they hire teachers from language institutes and not unemployed english teachers!!!

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:56:27 PM): in venezuela, we have problems to find English teachers for secondary schools

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 4:56:28 PM): Well, I am very interested in getting a Masters somewhere in exchange for a position a the schools language institute.. keep me inmind if you hear of thatin a reputable institution.

skiniotou (9/24/2006 4:56:32 PM): The trouble is that most non-teachers are good at PR. They convince parents to invest in them for years and by the time parents realize they have not offered any real education to their children it's too late.

stevesgroups2000 (9/24/2006 4:56:59 PM): i have heard of schools doing outsourcing here too...I guess they save on `benefits'

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 4:57:15 PM): They are pretty good about closing the doors to non-qualified in elementary and highschools schools here at least in SP

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:57:22 PM): yes, steve. seems like it

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 4:57:24 PM): It doesn't say much for the teachers with experience and a masters under their belt

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:57:42 PM): yes, outsourcing is a good option

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 4:58:04 PM): and that is also a problem in schools - the mixed level

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:58:13 PM): absolutely!

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:58:41 PM): that´s why I started using Cooperative Learning techniques in my courses

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:58:58 PM): it is great when you have mixed-level classes

skiniotou (9/24/2006 4:59:00 PM): The main problem in public schools is that there are very few teaching periods per week for foreign languages and too many students in class.

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 4:59:13 PM): i wish i could have a class with one-two levels at the most. i had that experience in a military school and it worked great

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 4:59:14 PM): true, Caterine

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 4:59:45 PM): My problem here is that non-Brazilians cannot teach in public schools - except Universities

stevesgroups2000 (9/24/2006 4:59:51 PM): well, I may sign off...tomorrow is the first day of our semester and I am not readyyet...maybe I am having too much fun with my PP104 and 110 classes!!!

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 4:59:51 PM): In France, it's weird for the primary and college level. They now expect French primary teachers to teach English. If they can't, the children don't learn English and that's the end of it

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 5:00:04 PM): in mixed-ability classes i believe that all students miss out on something

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:00:21 PM): the gov´t wants to do that here, Moira. A complete mess

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 5:00:44 PM): i believe in striving for excellence and that's not what we see in the portuguese system

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:00:48 PM): Before Steve leaves... do we have anything do say about the "Topic' teh online activites critic

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 5:01:00 PM): it's always average and often mediocre

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:01:17 PM): There are a lot of well intentioned people in SP - it's very hard with the social situation though

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 5:01:28 PM): Instead of callig in English teachers for a few hours, they insist on the French teachers teaching English - crazey

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:01:35 PM): I think that online activities are of great help with these mixed-level classes

stevesgroups2000 (9/24/2006 5:01:42 PM): Good night all...classes start tomorrow...

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:01:51 PM): good luck, Steve!

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 5:01:53 PM): bye, steve. thanks for coming

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 5:01:54 PM): Godd night Steve

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:01:59 PM): Bye, Steve

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:02:00 PM): thanks for coming

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 5:02:02 PM): bye

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teca2002pt (9/24/2006 5:03:09 PM): i wish we could all get together and try to solve the problems of education worldwide. i think we'd do a better job than is being done!

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:03:09 PM): once I started integrating online components to my courses, I don´t want to go back to only f2f activities

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:03:30 PM): this view is shared by the students, too

skiniotou (9/24/2006 5:03:47 PM): Our students do not want that either.

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 5:04:03 PM): on the first day of school my students were all asking if we would have CALL lessons, daf

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:04:16 PM): I really think there is a lot we can do. Not solve it but better the sit

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:04:26 PM): yes, that´s happening with the architure and urban planning students, too

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:04:56 PM): they ask if the new teacher will be using the computer lab

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:04:57 PM): Many of the teachers here haven't even heard of hotpot

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 5:05:13 PM): well, gwen, i hope that i am making a difference for my students. that really pleases me

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:05:18 PM): That inmany of their hands would be great

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 5:05:23 PM): I like the f2f course as I need the physical contact but I love the online too. Some of my online learners have stated that they toally prefer this method

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:05:25 PM): I am training teachers in the use of web tools

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:05:57 PM): On Friday I had a workshop on the use of Moodle

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:06:04 PM): Oiur public schools mostly have computer labs that the directors don't set up becuase they are ignorant to it's real uses and are afriad things will jsut get stolen ... which actually, they do

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:06:07 PM): and Wikispaces

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:06:59 PM): it happens here, too, Gwen

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:07:06 PM): See, I don't have that much involvement with Braz-Tesol (no $$ for conferences) and I haven't ploiticed much here yet with them

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:07:41 PM): I'm sure if the networking was done teh English teachers for the State of SP would be very open to trainging

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:07:56 PM): These online resources would do wonders in the right hands

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 5:07:59 PM): we have a few webhead friends doing interesting things in braz tesol, gwen

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:08:18 PM): I know there was a conference. I need to offer my help

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:08:19 PM): I am the head of a Post-graduate program on Informatics and Education, and we are getting teachers prepared to take the lead in their schools

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:08:37 PM): See , I really think that is the path

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:08:52 PM): Bee has recently created the BraTESOL CALL IS, I think

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:08:57 PM): People are possesive of information... everyone has to make a living

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 5:09:54 PM): I gave up with TESOL France many years ago as it was mainly about the French educational system and hierarchy. Maybe it's canged now, but it certainly wasn't worth the $$ before nor the visits to the conferences

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:10:04 PM): I had to struggle a lot to get YM and other applications be installed on the university computers

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:10:29 PM): It can be a waste though if it is not used correctly - that´s the key - to educate

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:10:45 PM): If the kids get on an run amock - our work goes down the drain

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:10:52 PM): Orkut is HUGE here

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:11:12 PM): right, teachers need to learn to integrate online activities to the curriculum, not as separate aspects

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 5:11:13 PM): everything was so complicated at my school bec. of a restrictive program that the min. of educ. installed that i decided to use only my laptop and a video projector

skiniotou (9/24/2006 5:11:14 PM): In my opinion some really good teachers get frustrated because we are overworked and underpaid. But I have always learned something new in TESOL and TESOL Greece and IATEFL and...

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:11:21 PM): All the kids have it or want it. (Even though it's an age restricte forum)

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:11:56 PM): I have been a member of TESOL for more than 15 years, and I always learn something

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:12:29 PM): I used to be involved with VenTESOL until I left for Spain

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 5:12:40 PM): TESOL as in the States used to be too USA focussed and now I fid it extremely interesting as it has opened up

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 5:12:51 PM): i also like the socializing during the appi conference in portugal, bec. we get to exchange ideas

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:12:54 PM): The overworked part is why we need these charts and such so teachers can grab it , use it, and reep the friuts wihout spending the hours we have to evaluate

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:13:18 PM): rigth, Tere socializing is part of the experience

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:13:34 PM): yes, Gwen, that´s what we want

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:13:46 PM): it is not only a course requirement

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 5:13:48 PM): and i also love it when i have the chance to go to tesol in the states

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:13:56 PM): we want these tables to be available

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:14:01 PM): The socializing (networking) is actually what gets the real ball rolling to implamenting fundctioning information distribution. Don't you all thiK?

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:14:12 PM): certainly, Gwen

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 5:14:16 PM): but I come back to my favourite question Tere, who funds it?

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:14:27 PM): sorry about my terrible typing

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 5:14:41 PM): me!!! sometimes with a little help from a foundation

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:14:49 PM): if I have a presentation my university pays for it (should, at least)

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 5:15:13 PM): does funding exst to help teachers meet up abroad i.e. in the States?

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:15:27 PM): I'm not in a situation, yet, to look for funding... but I do know it is out there. Anothre function of networking(sociallizing)

skiniotou (9/24/2006 5:15:28 PM): Moira, this is another problem we, teachers have. We are above and beyond money and then we realize we can't feed our dreams with more dreams...

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 5:15:39 PM): as regards tesol in the usa. i get almost everything free at appi - tesol in portugal, bec. i've been a regular and innovative speaker for several years

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 5:15:39 PM): my university wouldn't pay for it

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:15:45 PM): TESOL has grants for first time presenters

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:15:58 PM): and for Masters students

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 5:16:10 PM): there's very limited funding, i think, moira. i once applied and didn't get it

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:16:14 PM): I fall through the cracks - American and resident elsewhere. Nothing applies to me. At least I haven't found anything so far.

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:16:34 PM): those are the 2 grants I have gotten from TESOL

skiniotou (9/24/2006 5:17:21 PM): But I know very well what Gwen means. That's why we are called "aliens". We belong to outer space.

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:17:22 PM): but, I have worked for the TESOL Electronic Village Online for 4 years, and they don´t recognize it

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 5:17:24 PM): no way my school or the min. of educ. would fund me

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 5:17:27 PM): Well, there goes Seattle down the drain. I have my Masters already and don't belong to Tesol Fance any longer

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:18:01 PM): but if you are first-time presenter you can get a grant, Moira

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 5:18:16 PM): i included all the work i've done for tesol in the application, but... no results!!!

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:18:21 PM): you can send a proposal to the CALL-IS

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:18:22 PM): I'm technically an ex-patriot - isn't that sad.

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 5:18:22 PM): from whom? TESOL USA?

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:18:30 PM): yes, Moira

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 5:18:30 PM): not everybody does, daf

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 5:18:44 PM): yes, gwen

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:18:57 PM): really sad, Gwen

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:19:06 PM): Boo hoo

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 5:19:16 PM): Hmm, I may have to get more info from you Daf

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:19:20 PM):

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 5:19:31 PM): I'm not sure what I am Gwen

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 5:19:45 PM): moira, you can find info on grants in the tesol site

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 5:19:46 PM): Whenever I can avoid filling in papaers for the French I do

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:19:48 PM): there´s still time to send proposals for the Electronic Village Online sessions

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:19:53 PM): I think

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:20:16 PM): sorry Electronic Village

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 5:20:30 PM): When I first lived her, I battled to use my name (Hunter) instead of my married name (Haas) and I won. Now, everyone has the right to choose their name

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:20:41 PM):

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:21:03 PM): where is your husband from, Moira?

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 5:21:08 PM): I've never taken French nationality either

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 5:21:15 PM): He's French

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:21:22 PM): Was it Dafne or Teresa that was telling me about teh Braz- Web head?

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:21:31 PM): his last name sounds Dutch

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:21:43 PM): yes, Bee

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:21:48 PM): Sorry, I didn't mean to interrupt.

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:21:54 PM): Barbara Diew

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:22:01 PM): I need ot look into doing more here at Braz-Tesol

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 5:22:10 PM): both of us, gwen. barbara/bee dieu, carla arena and erika alves are vey active

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 5:22:17 PM): I could sell, buy, work, have children - everything except vote. So I decided to keep my British nationalit and we 'voteed' together - now, the Europeans have more votes

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:22:21 PM): Dieu, sorry

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:22:49 PM): I have voted in Spain

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:22:49 PM): I looked into the SIT grant- again no can do AMerican Pasport holders can't participate in the Braz-TESLO SIT scholarships - but I would like to get involved here in the Braz-TESOL aanywys

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:23:01 PM): I am a resident of Spain

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:23:21 PM): Dafne? aren't you in Venezuela?

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:23:34 PM): yes, I am. but I lived in Spain for 5 years

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:23:46 PM): and I am planning to go back

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:23:58 PM): Oh, you are an AMerican Passport holder also, right?

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 5:24:04 PM): ladies, i'm having a wonderful time and enjoying the chat, but i do need to go. thanks for coming and have a wonderful week!

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:24:38 PM): no, because I don´t have a Spanish passport

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 5:24:38 PM): Thank you TYere and enjoy the rest of Sunday

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:24:38 PM): I will have to head out soon also. Great to see you here Teresa

teca2002pt (9/24/2006 5:24:54 PM): bye all!

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:24:56 PM): I only have the spanish ID card

Yahoo! Messenger with Voice (9/24/2006 5:24:58 PM): teca2002pt has left the conference.

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 5:25:03 PM): Daf, did you want to say that the EVO sesssions count towards th 'first presentation'?

skiniotou (9/24/2006 5:25:16 PM): I need to go and make dinner, too. Could we arrange next week's chat on a Sunday, too? I teach at all hours on all the other days.

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:25:23 PM): no, Moira, the Electronic Village is something different to EVO

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:25:33 PM): sure, Caterine

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 5:25:42 PM): Bye Caterina

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:25:44 PM): Caternina, Sunday works out better for me too.

skiniotou (9/24/2006 5:25:45 PM): Bye, Everybody!

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:25:49 PM): Bye

Yahoo! Messenger with Voice (9/24/2006 5:25:53 PM): skiniotou has left the conference.

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:25:53 PM): it is fine for me, too

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 5:26:03 PM): me too

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 5:26:22 PM): except next weekend I can't be online for either Saturday or Sunday

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:26:30 PM): I have been working on the moderators training for EVO

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 5:26:36 PM): off to Strasbourg

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:26:44 PM): good for you, Moira

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:27:10 PM): you will go through this training, Moira

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:27:11 PM): Now, Moira, you are teaching in a Univ and have private students, right?

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 5:27:20 PM): righ

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 5:27:24 PM): right

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:27:40 PM): You are adding the TESOL involvement, to the mix

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:27:49 PM): or were you always involved?

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:28:33 PM): Are youplanning on getting into consulting or are you only applying htis extra knowledge to your practice?

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:28:51 PM): Girls, how do you feel about this PP TESOL program you are taking?

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:29:11 PM): has it met your expectations?

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:29:15 PM): I am loving it. there is a lot of new information to process and apply

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 5:29:29 PM): II think the PP is great but I am now behind and didn't get Hala and Caterina's emails - but I am behind anyway

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:29:32 PM): we don´t have much contact with the other courses

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:29:42 PM): I have applied many things already. I feel as if it is going to open many doors

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:30:08 PM): I now about Vance´s course, because he has invited me to take part

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:30:16 PM): know

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:30:21 PM): I do want the opportunities to give back to TESOL, be it thorugh Braz-TESOL or not.

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:30:42 PM): VAnce's course was slow starting but people seem to be getting more involved now.

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:30:46 PM): and I was also invited to the pp108 course, but I was just observing for a while

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:30:51 PM): Information overload

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 5:31:13 PM): TESOL involvement - I have been in and outsince going into teaching - sometimes in UK, France or USA

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 5:31:41 PM): the PP108 was great - this is where Gwen and I learnt to hold hands in cybersapce

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:32:00 PM): Moira, have you though pp107 a bit revolutionary?

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 5:32:00 PM): cyberspace

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:32:20 PM): Moira , we really held hands trying to make heads or toes of hte beginning of 108

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:32:22 PM): revolutionary? in what sense?

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:32:28 PM): That was a crazy course

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:32:59 PM): It was a whirlwind.. before I knew it I was contracting services nad taking dives I hadn't planned

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 5:33:22 PM): Have a look at my multiliteracies blog. As you know Daf, I am not a blogger, but this I love - http://www.moirahunter.multiply.com

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:33:35 PM): Revolutionary in the sense of "It's a new world. Subverting educational power systems. etc"

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 5:33:50 PM): I'm just playing with it at the moment

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:34:00 PM): it is opening

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:34:06 PM): taking long to open

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:34:16 PM): here now, I am listening

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:34:17 PM): I was good (and a bit costly) but now I've got hte moodle up and the site workign - domain bought.

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 5:34:20 PM): watch out - find the speaker icon

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:34:28 PM): That was about pp108

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:34:38 PM): very nice blog, Moira

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:34:49 PM): Are we all on audio?

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:36:02 PM): Vance has let people catch up well. People are starting to get more involved

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:36:10 PM): if you want to can use audio

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:36:24 PM): I have gone back to my motime blog: http://dafneusb.motime.com/

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:36:40 PM): I am not a blogger either, don´t have the time

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:37:07 PM): Do you all think that all the different services weigh down the interaction?

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:37:27 PM): That was my original idea of getting the multiliteracies under control but

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:37:37 PM): I belive that you need to have an objective for each of the tools you use

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 5:37:51 PM): Time is definitely the issue

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:38:16 PM): yes, but , for example, we didn't really get to talk at multilit or here today about what the topic should have been

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:38:18 PM): I don´t have the time to be a regular blogger

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:38:47 PM): it was our fault, Gwen, we did not think of the Mac issue with YM

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:39:09 PM): It's fustrating because it seems we are losing time

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:39:16 PM): Oh,no it´s not

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 5:39:22 PM): Me neither and I'm not sure I'd want to be a regular blogger either

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:39:36 PM): The chats rarely do get anything really done.. Not at all a critic about here or there

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:39:42 PM): in a sense, yes. Gwen, but at the same time, you have become aware about the constrains of YM

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:39:52 PM): It's very hard to harness the media

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:40:11 PM): I don´t think so. I use chats with my students and it words really well

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 5:40:11 PM): I think the chats are really important to 'feel' the online environment

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:40:19 PM): works

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:40:31 PM): Yes, and it's important to know htat teachers willhave this same problem imple menting resources in classes

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:40:41 PM): but I carefully plan Cooperative learning activies with my students

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:40:56 PM): Yes, I think that is the key

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:40:56 PM): sorry about my typing

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:41:11 PM): in webheads we never plan our chats

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:41:15 PM): Someone mentioned hving script pre written and copy and pasting to chats

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:41:21 PM): we just get to TI to talk about anything

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:41:27 PM): Ther ehas to be a defined moderator I believe

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:41:59 PM): intapped doesn't seem to allow copy and paste from it's caht by the way. Is ther a reason for htat?

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:42:02 PM): you should listen to VAnce in this interview: http://dafneusb.motime.com/ f

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:42:05 PM): first entry

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:42:32 PM): yes, you can copy and paste, there is a feature for that in the pull-down actions menu

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:42:39 PM): the pasteboard

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:42:42 PM): see, YM let me click that link - much more functional

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:43:06 PM): Ok, I need to remember that for the next time. It was crazy not being able to do that

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:43:24 PM): since I started using Skype, I hardly use YM anymore

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:43:51 PM): Ladies, I need to go. The crew is hungry. Thank you so much for everything. Bye Moira, Bye Dafne

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:43:57 PM): in TI you need to unblock your pop-up blocker to be able to click on links

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 5:44:05 PM): I never used YM, always used skype, much better and now Google Talk and today Ineen

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:44:12 PM): bye, Gwen, it was a pleasure to have you here

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 5:44:16 PM): Bye Gwen

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 5:44:22 PM): See you soon

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:44:26 PM): I need to try Ineen

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:44:40 PM): I am so glad you introduced me to MyChingo, Moira

Gwen Cary (9/24/2006 5:44:43 PM): Skype was Moira and my first contact- very nice ( and cheep to call home too) really have to go. I'm logging off and not looking back or I'll stay. God Bless, GWen

Yahoo! Messenger with Voice (9/24/2006 5:44:44 PM): Gwen Cary has left the conference.

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Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 5:44:57 PM): I have to call Yaodong on it soon so let's try together

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:45:08 PM): let me download it

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 5:45:25 PM): Daf, two secs, what is the difference between EVO Village and EVO sessions - very confused

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:46:39 PM): the Electronic Village is part of TESOL, sessions prepared by the CALL IS, where people present things related to CALL, and the Electronic Village Online is EVO

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:47:03 PM): EVO was created as part of the EV

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:47:28 PM): for those who could not attend TESOL

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:47:39 PM): so the EV is f2f while EVO is online

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 5:48:43 PM): right, thanks

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:48:55 PM): what´s your ineen ID?

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:48:59 PM): I am downloading it

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 5:49:29 PM): my number is 2070052

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 5:49:41 PM): Moira Hunter

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:50:30 PM): what did you use in the configuration?

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 5:50:41 PM): headset

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:50:47 PM): only?

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 5:50:56 PM): yes

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:51:03 PM): thanks

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 5:51:13 PM): I thought I can always go back and change

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:52:17 PM): yes, they say that

Dafne Gonzalez (9/24/2006 5:53:11 PM): 2070075 Daf

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 5:54:05 PM): calling

Moira Hunter (9/24/2006 5:56:05 PM): yes I can hear you

Yahoo! Messenger with Voice (9/24/2006 6:05:12 PM): Moira Hunter has left the conference.

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